tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post3094807213836017300..comments2024-03-18T06:12:24.921-07:00Comments on Jon's Jail Journal (by Shaun Attwood): Jonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02894626355758041112noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-9475907583607475892014-04-20T08:56:22.424-07:002014-04-20T08:56:22.424-07:00Perhaps I'm the only one with this dilemma, pe...Perhaps I'm the only one with this dilemma, perhaps not?<br /><br />Prisoners hate & despise rapist & paedophiles, yet there is a HUGE amount of rape via prison gangs...<br /><br />I'm in need of an explanation as to how rape by these gangs of guys is any different to rape outside of prison...<br /><br />Is the victimising of these particular criminals an expression of self hatred?<br /><br />Is there an unwritten code that says "It's ok to rape someone younger and/or more vulnerable than you when you're a prisoner" ?<br /><br />I'm aware that some straight men end up in consenting homosexual relationships due to the human need for affection & companionship, yet this is not what I'm talking about. It's a different thing.<br /><br />For me, if a person hates & despises rape, they need to show it by never ever raping anyone for any reason & the committing of rape makes a person a rapist, so those who do this need to be automatically & immediately dropped to the lowest rung of the prison ladder along with those who've raped outside of prison, not given power as is currently the case.<br /><br />To Chris H: to highlight one of Pixies' points; your words have had an effect upon me, a person that you don't know & will likely never meet. In my case, the affect is small, as I have not taken your comments on board either emotionally or intellectually (I've just noted that this is how you think), yet I am a very particular kind of person & most who read here are not like me & will have been emotionally affected by your words, some profoundly so. it appears to me that all Pixie was asking of you is that you think about those people before you begin to type your thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-81814742048103702822008-06-20T15:56:00.000-07:002008-06-20T15:56:00.000-07:00That's the way it is in prison...even in a place f...That's the way it is in prison...even in a place full of criminals, rapists and child molesters are considered the lowest of the low.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-53770265615587796722008-06-20T09:22:00.000-07:002008-06-20T09:22:00.000-07:00Loving this one Shaun! Truly this whole blog is ...Loving this one Shaun! Truly this whole blog is the essence of what is awry with the whole world. Really, think about it. We as humans have so many different opinions and beliefs that it is extremely difficult to agree on certain (highly important) subjects. I think it is awesome that people are passionate for their beliefs! I think it is fair to say the the answer to Shaun's question has really no answer at all for all people. There are too many variables and opinions. But, then there is what the Bible says and all I know is I (personally) am too afraid to challenge it and (I guess) lucky because I haven't been in the position to have to . Shaun, let Warrior know that he did the right thing because that is what he did-it is what happened and how it played out. FACT. Second guessing past actions is only good to learn for the future but even then when we do second guess it is usually because we know the outcome because it already happened. We can't change what already happened. (did I say that right??) I feel for him in that he wishes he should have done something way back when, but as you (Shaun) pointed out, he'd be on death row himself or life in prison (same thing yes??)-hence "an eye for an eye" ... or "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" and aren't they also basically the same thing?Noellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10053272984899325743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-21250194567000204942008-06-20T06:15:00.000-07:002008-06-20T06:15:00.000-07:00Rubbish!I know soeone who was molested and sexuall...Rubbish!<BR/><BR/>I know soeone who was molested and sexually assaulted as a child and they aren't a paedophile! It's not forced on you just cos you were attacked yourself!<BR/><BR/>Are you telling me that if you're child/sister/mother/wife/brother/father/husband was raped and you were left alone in the room with the rapist and a caseball bat you'd just say "Jese, that was a bad thing you did! Try not to do it again next time, K?"<BR/><BR/>Hugs and kisses,<BR/><BR/>Chris HChris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-33172780405449809402008-06-20T04:16:00.000-07:002008-06-20T04:16:00.000-07:00I understand how horrible a crime that rape is - e...I understand how horrible a crime that rape is - especially when the victim is a child. When this happens to a child we want to do everything in our power to help this child out mentally - right? What happens when this child "grows up"? This adult is STILL the same person who was sexually molested as a child and STILL has the mental problems from the assault, right? So... we all also know that most pedophiles were once victims themselves. Why then, since we wanted so badly to help them as a child are we so willing to do them harm instead of trying to find them the help that they need? Incarceration, rehabilitation and cognitive behavioral skills are needed. NOT more violence. Violence only begets more violence and solves NOTHING!!! And, by the way, the statistics that say that pedophiles are the most likely to re-offend are old - it has been reviewed and this is no longer true. They are less likely to re-offend if they are given the proper rehabilitation then other criminals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-81887199785158516282008-06-19T07:08:00.000-07:002008-06-19T07:08:00.000-07:00Pixie,Sorry I'm totally confused...What do you mea...Pixie,<BR/><BR/>Sorry I'm totally confused...<BR/><BR/>What do you mean 'check my delivery'? <BR/><BR/>It's not self centred to believe that me driving to work, working for 8 hours, driving to the gym, driving home and going to bed does not 'make or break' anyones day? Seriously!<BR/><BR/>I always hold the door for people? Always always. But I don't see how that goes against what I was saying? I said 'Do unto others'. And I do. So I hold the door for people expecting that they will do the same for me. How does your holding the door point go against my previous comment?<BR/><BR/>Hugs and kisses,<BR/><BR/>Chris HChris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-57096045659564078202008-06-19T06:21:00.000-07:002008-06-19T06:21:00.000-07:00It's just too hard not to comment-great post. I b...It's just too hard not to comment-great post. I blogged about this, but I'm a student of Old Testament law, and one thing that is clear about the law-it has no power to change a life, only the power to demonstrate wrong-doing, like a mirror. The Ten Commandments are like the ABCs on how to live, fairly simple-don't lie, don't covet, don't murder, etc. Our system of justice in America is based in part on Judeo-Christian principles, that all life has basic and fundamental worth, and we have some basic rights because of that. Legal and civil authority is necessary or society would be in chaos. But the scriptures also say that mercy triumphs over justice. It seems to me that built into the very fabric of human reality are so many checks and balances because we are creatures of free choice-there are consequences to those choices. Utopia is not living in perfect physical world-it is living in a world of beings whose very nature is to do no wrong. I believe forgiveness always trumps a wrong. In my faith system, the final answer God gives to humankind is "forgiven", and while consequences must be levied to wrong-doing, the final question is-who truly has the right? I do believe in a final judgment meted out by the One who took mankind's penalty and broke the power of the law.Sue O. (aka Joannie, SS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02495926658531459181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-12584808032182263282008-06-19T05:48:00.000-07:002008-06-19T05:48:00.000-07:00Explain in what possible way my opinion on a blog ...<I>Explain in what possible way my opinion on a blog could have destroyed someones life? Honestly, I'm all ears on that one.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm not self centred enough to believe that my contact with ANYONE outside my family and friends could ever make or break their day!<BR/><BR/>ALSO, can you clarify what your point is on the 'holding a door open' bit? I can't make it clear no matter how many times I re-read it....<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Absolutely.<BR/><BR/>First. <I>Explain in what possible way my opinion on a blog could have destroyed someones life? Honestly, I'm all ears on that one</I> You most probably have not, but you may have. You might want to check your "delivery".<BR/><BR/>Secondly. <I>Also, I'm not self centered enough to believe that my contact with ANYONE outside my family and friends could ever make or break their day!</I> There in lies your self centeredness. That you can believe in your heart of hearts that you do not affect the day of anyone other than those immediately surrounding you, yourself. <BR/><BR/>Finally: <I>ALSO, can you clarify what your point is on the 'holding a door open' bit? I can't make it clear no matter how many times I re-read it....</I> Perhaps having a door held open is the greatest gift, human interaction the person in front of you or behind you, might receive... <BR/><BR/>Little things... are huge to people. <BR/><BR/>See?sparrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08838935957994302879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-30299959937594490462008-06-19T05:39:00.000-07:002008-06-19T05:39:00.000-07:00JanetyJanetCrystalTaJanetyJanet<BR/><BR/>Crystal<BR/><BR/>TaChris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-59629110004314818722008-06-19T05:33:00.000-07:002008-06-19T05:33:00.000-07:00Chris,"No" - as in, that's my answer to Shaun's qu...Chris,<BR/><BR/>"No" - as in, that's my answer to Shaun's question<BR/><BR/>i.e. <BR/>No, Warrior is not justified in thinking he should have stabbed Kenny G to death that day<BR/><BR/>all clear?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-19065396443382398762008-06-19T04:31:00.000-07:002008-06-19T04:31:00.000-07:00RebuttlePixie - Explain in what possible way my op...Rebuttle<BR/><BR/>Pixie - <BR/><BR/>Explain in what possible way my opinion on a blog could have destroyed someones life? Honestly, I'm all ears on that one. <BR/><BR/>Also, I'm not self centred enough to believe that my contact with ANYONE outside my family and friends could ever make or break their day! <BR/><BR/>ALSO, can you clarify what your point is on the 'holding a door open' bit? I can't make it clear no matter how many times I re-read it....<BR/><BR/>Not having a go at you in any of the above, I just have really really strong feelings about this.<BR/><BR/>BIG DAWG!!<BR/><BR/>I can respond to your comment using Quantum Leap as an example... the shows just that damn good.<BR/><BR/>In the season 2 episode "Another Mother", Sam jumps into a single mother and is there to prevent her teenage son running away, never to be seen again. It turns out that the son wasn't running away but was kidnapped by 2 paeodophiles (think that's correct spelling?). <BR/><BR/>Sam saves the day, cos he's cool like that, but just leaves the 2 fucking pervs by the side of the road unconcious......<BR/><BR/>At this point, I turn to my wife and say 'If I were there, I'd have kicked them both in the head until they were dead', to which she agreed.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I'd gladly go to prison for life or face the death penalty if it meant that just 1 rapist, murderer, child molester was off the face of this planet. Now that's my opinion. It sounds to me like it's Warriors opinion too.<BR/><BR/>Go team!<BR/><BR/>Hugs and kisses<BR/><BR/>Chris HChris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-2209551327309935622008-06-19T03:33:00.000-07:002008-06-19T03:33:00.000-07:00Chris,It's a moral dilemma. Do situations arise wh...Chris,<BR/><BR/>It's a moral dilemma. Do situations arise whereby killing is justified and where do you draw the line? If all seven men in a lifeboat will die unless they throw one overboard, is the killing of one of them justified to save the other six? If it could be known for certain that killing Kenny G would have saved women from being murdered and raped, would the murder be justified? But what if Kenny G had reformed in prison and gone on to find a cure for some deadly disease? Warrior didn't know at the time what would become of Kenny G. Also, if Warrior had murdered Kenny G, Warrior could be on death row right now or at least serving life.<BR/>I'm not saying he did or did not do the right thing. I'm just saying we need to consider more angles.<BR/><BR/>ShaunJonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02894626355758041112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-73774705385359280092008-06-19T03:25:00.000-07:002008-06-19T03:25:00.000-07:00I think an eye for an eye is more than fair. If yo...<I>I think an eye for an eye is more than fair. If you stab someone, you should get stabbed, if you steal something you should have you stuff taken... If you destroy someones life , you should have your life destroyed.</I><BR/><BR/>Do you? <BR/><BR/>Really? <BR/><BR/>Answer this Chris: <BR/><BR/>What did you do, today? <BR/><BR/>How many people did you come in contact with and how many people's day did you make or break, through your actions? <BR/><BR/>Holding a door for someone at Wal-Mart, someone who is weak and tired and trying to get home holds AS MUCH WORTH as your life time of doors held open. <BR/><BR/>While I understand your sentiments and hear them, daily (and truly believe that is the reason this world is spiraling out of control - but that's just me) I think you get what you give.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you have destroyed a life in as simple as an erroneous, self-righteous comment on a random blog. Hmmmmm? Outrageous (probably)... Possible (probably) <BR/><BR/>It's all relevant, and who are we to judge? <BR/><BR/>The answer is in "gentle"... the answer is in "love"... the answer is in - oh, what you said: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" <BR/><BR/>Just like I said. <BR/><BR/>Blessings.sparrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08838935957994302879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-12788974230774059722008-06-19T03:20:00.000-07:002008-06-19T03:20:00.000-07:00Some thoughts...I suppose in a perfect world there...Some thoughts...I suppose in a perfect world there would be no need for prisons. But assuming the point of incarceration is rehabilitation and restoration-the perpetrator pays for the wrong action and best case scenario experiences true repentence and change of heart, the victim or vic's family gets justice and some recompense for their loss...it seems it takes different things for different people. I was talking with my jail volunteer partner about this-she is dead set against the death penalty-I had just watched the movie "Dead Man Walking". I know one danger of this is possibly condemning the innocent, but in that case it was facing death that brought the freedom for this man-the freedom to finally face his crime. It's a tough, tough thing...and I would have to say with Noelle I'm a Christian, too, and like King David in the scriptures my prayer would be to let me fall into God's hands rather than humans, who have a very skewed and imperfect sense of justice. We don't see the whole picture-we can only do with what we can see.Sue O. (aka Joannie, SS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02495926658531459181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-34801129733309995942008-06-19T02:47:00.000-07:002008-06-19T02:47:00.000-07:00Big Dawg!!I think an eye for an eye is more than f...Big Dawg!!<BR/><BR/>I think an eye for an eye is more than fair. If you stab someone, you should get stabbed, if you steal something you should have you stuff taken... If you destroy someones life , you should have your life destroyed.<BR/><BR/>As for Ghandi's statement about revenge, you'd only lose an eye if you yourself had taken an eye. So surely if you want to follow a statement, you should choose 'Do unto others as you would have others do unto you'. That way you always get what's coming to you....<BR/><BR/>Hugs and kisses,<BR/><BR/>Chris H<BR/><BR/>P.S - Big Dawg, what's YOUR opinion? I notice you've kept quiet so far????Chris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-24440300745913951232008-06-19T00:27:00.000-07:002008-06-19T00:27:00.000-07:00Is Warrior justified in thinking he should have st...<I>Is Warrior justified in thinking he should have stabbed Kenny G to death that day?</I><BR/><BR/>Warrior is justified in thinking whatever Warrior chooses to think ("all feelings are valid" blah, blah, blah). <BR/><BR/>I, personally am against the Death Penalty. I do not believe creating more "victims" justifies or vindicates the original murder (be it emotional or physical - rape is both). To kill someone in retaliation: "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." ~ Mahatma Ghandi<BR/><BR/>That being said... had Kenny G's "victims" been armed and left with him in said circumstances... an opportunity to fight back... that's another story altogether. <BR/><BR/>Just my .02 cents <BR/><BR/>*victim of a pedophile*sparrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08838935957994302879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-84227925977325954662008-06-18T13:43:00.000-07:002008-06-18T13:43:00.000-07:00I personally know what it feels like to be a victi...I personally know what it feels like to be a victim of a very violent sexual assualt without ellaborating I would like to say NO. It is never okay to hurt another inmate for thier crime. Most people are in prison because the broke a law and should all work on thier own demons. People always assume sex offenders will always be sexual predators and that is unfair and bias. Yes they do have higher rates of reoofending but the number is no where near 100 or even 50 precent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-30257910222692689432008-06-18T10:33:00.000-07:002008-06-18T10:33:00.000-07:00In all honesty, I couldn't say definitely yes or n...In all honesty, I couldn't say definitely yes or no-part of me would like to have seen justice meted out by an equivalent force. True predators prey on those they know they can subdue. Justice entails balancing the scales somehow, but in the human world, perfect justice is impossible.Sue O. (aka Joannie, SS)https://www.blogger.com/profile/02495926658531459181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-72981305087479244622008-06-18T09:13:00.000-07:002008-06-18T09:13:00.000-07:00Loaded question Shaun!!This question crosses some ...Loaded question Shaun!!<BR/>This question crosses some boarders for me. First let me say I consider myself a Christian. I try to do the right things-but as everyone else I have a hard time with what is exactly right?! As a human (and a woman) I say "beat the shit out of that F'er, weaken him to a whinny little shit, then when he thinks it is over and he's safe ... finish him!!" (sadistic am I not??) Then after the initial adrenalin wears off and I am not so pissed, I think of the what the good book says: basically we are not to judge (punish, kill or otherwise) anyone-it simply is not our job. BUT then they are already in jail or prison being punished ... so, is it right? Probably not-not any of it. Killing him would have saved someone else's life and who knows how many other (unreported) women he rapped. To me it shows that Warrior is a decent human at heart. He has a a sense of human life. I agree with Chris H that rape needs to carry a life sentence. That surely would overcrowd the overcrowded system now wouldn't it? I don't know if it is right in the eyes of our final Judge but my best answer would be if you believe in something strongly stand by it-that women would have surely benefitted from it. The politics being in the system are far different then out here ... we'll maybe not, maybe just more intense. And complicated. Loaded question Shaun!!Noellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10053272984899325743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-14250264938857246792008-06-18T07:26:00.000-07:002008-06-18T07:26:00.000-07:00JanetyJanetNo what?Chris HJanetyJanet<BR/><BR/>No what?<BR/><BR/>Chris HChris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-22217433063194634752008-06-18T06:20:00.000-07:002008-06-18T06:20:00.000-07:00nonoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-58256054585628518392008-06-18T04:41:00.000-07:002008-06-18T04:41:00.000-07:00I don't know whether he was right or wrong. But I ...I don't know whether he was right or wrong. But I do know that every hair on the back of my neck stood up as I read the last couple of sentances. Chilling.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13759172117554947021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-51198014843157517642008-06-18T04:37:00.000-07:002008-06-18T04:37:00.000-07:00I dunno whether he was justified or not. That whol...I dunno whether he was justified or not. That whole rape case could've been made up to get Warrior and Cane to do someone else's dirty work. I mean it wasn't, as was shown, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. <BR/>Still, a gripping account and very well written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-75172966113109554542008-06-18T02:04:00.000-07:002008-06-18T02:04:00.000-07:00BIG DAWG!!!Did you miss me?Absolutely he should ha...BIG DAWG!!!<BR/><BR/>Did you miss me?<BR/><BR/>Absolutely he should have been stabbed to death. At the very least castrated. <BR/><BR/>In my mind, rape (be it of a child or an adult) is equal too or worse than murder. Rape and sexual abuse effects peoples lives and those of all the prople around them. <BR/><BR/>It stays with that person all their life and lasts longer than any sentance handed down to the fucker who commits the crime. <BR/><BR/>Life sentances should be handed out for rape of anyone....<BR/><BR/>Hugs and kisses,<BR/><BR/>Chris HChris Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02525205208938521306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6578792.post-50049534169794550262008-06-17T16:13:00.000-07:002008-06-17T16:13:00.000-07:00Those are prison politics and rules. I think all c...Those are prison politics and rules. I think all child molesters and rapists should be dealt with in the appropriate manner. Too bad the system has developed SNY yards to protect them from inmate distributed justice. It all washes out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com