27 Jun 08

Question Time With A Blood (Part 2)

Bones of the South Side Posse Bloods is serving sixteen years for leading a gang, assisting a crime syndicate, kidnapping and aggravated assault.


Lizzy said...Can't believe these guys really exist. Great to read, but you are making some scary friends Jon take care.
Lizzy, you better believe guys like me and worse exist! Like I got a homeboy from the hood I used to kick it with from time to time. His name is Madman. I remember the last time I saw him on the streets. He told me, “Dogg, I’m going to shoot and kill more people than you have.” A few months go by and the next thing I know he’s locked up for murder. He ended up getting 106 years for the murder. The reason he got so much time is because they called his murder overkill. He killed some guy for disrespecting him. The guy was dead but he kept putting more and more and more bullets in him. So yeah, Lizzy, you better believe guys like us exist. Now that shit is gangster. B-up Dogg. Much love.


Ossie said...Question for Bones, couldn't all that energy and organisation be used for less negative activities?

Well, I guess knowing what I know now it could of. But you must remember our organisation had no one leader. Our hood is so big that you had a bunch of different groups of people that hung out every day with each other and on or towards the weekend one group would go and see what was happening with the other group. I guess you could say each group had a shot caller, the one person of the group that the others kind of looked up to. Usually the craziest and downest one of the group. But there never was that one leader to lead all of us.
Ossie, I might go a little off track here, but this has to be said. Back from 1987 all the way to about 1995, other gangs didn’t want to start beefs with us because if you came to our hood and took a few shots at us, in return you would receive at least a hundred back. Back in those days, if you messed with one of the groups from the hood, or anyone from the hood, all the groups would come together and plan some revenge.
One guy from one group had beef with another guy from a different group in the hood. They handled it by fighting. Usually that was the end of it. And when shit went down with another hood, you’d see those two fighting side by side against the other hood. Back then that’s the way it was. It didn’t matter what group you hung out with, you were all from your Posse! That’s why back then other hoods didn’t like to go to war with us because if you mess with one you mess with all of us.
It’s not like that nowadays where you got groups fighting other groups, 10th Street Posse fighting 7th Ave Posse, or 35th Ave Posse fighting 7th Street Posse. So these youngsters need to open their eyes and see that Posse is Posse! Stay together and stay strong.
As for less negative activities, Ossie, I don’t know where you grew up at, but being from a gang has very little less negative activities.
Once you join a gang it’s all about not letting anyone disrespect you or the hood you are from. And if you’re a gang member and a real gangster you will have to put in work, which basically means you have to hurt other people who disrespect you or the hood, and even kill them sometimes.
I think even if your hood tries to do something positive like start your own business for the hood, another hood will probably hear about it and maybe get jealous and say that we are all busters, then try to test us, and that’s when the violence will happen again.
Gangs are just violent, so I really don’t see no way of using all that energy and organisation for less negative activities. Maybe before me and a few of my homeboys joined the hood we could of. But hey, it is what it is, we joined a gang. Posse forever but smarter as I get older.


This is Mr Guero Dog Lokon from the BiG SouthSide Posse. I went to the pinta and the homies knew I was from the Posse, some tripped on me but never did anyone disrespect me like bones said. Shit my celly was from SS happy homes too. I was a little vato to and he gave me all the respect. Mr Madman Lokon the OG from Posse was there and Nobody fucked with him either. Some of our homies did go the EME route and much respect to them. Mr. Guero Dog LokonOG SSPG

To Mr Guero Dog Lokon from the Big South Side Posse. I knew two Gueros from the hood. One was big and had a red ’64 Impala or maybe it was a ’63. And the other one was a short vato with blue eyes and he made a rap song for the hood using the instrumental beat from the West Side Connection song Bow Down. It was tight. If this is you, you know who I am. You used to come kick it at my house from time to time. I even gave you a ride because you had to go and drop a UA for your PO back in the day. Hey, homie, I don’t know how your time in the pinta [prison] was, but I do know one thing which is that I never bowed down to them vatos and I never will. To them vatos who put a green light on our hood. You know what I’m talking about. You know there was a time when the green light was on that if you were from Posse there was a free pass to get us. And if you had the hood tattoo on you, they told you to either cover it up or put hx after it so it would read S.S.Phx. Well homeboy, I still got my S.S.P. on strong! And you know other vatos from the hood bowed down and covered it or put S.S.Phx. You don’t want me start naming names now do you? I’m sorry, homeboy, but I can’t give respect to vatos from our hood that went the EME [Mexican Mafia] route. I just can’t see how homie could go that route when those vatos put a green light on our hood. I’m from South Side Posse Blood Gang and nothing else and never will be.


WHAT UP SSP MEXICAN BLOODS THIS IS O.G.SNYPER1 BEEN IN THE POSSE SINCE '89 I WENT DOWN IN '94 DID 3 YEARS AND MET UP WITH THE EME AND WE WERE HATED BUT GAVE RESPECT TO THE EME AND EARNED IT BACK. STAY BLEEDING TO ALL MY GENTE MOST DOWNEST MOST HATED MOST FEARED BIG SOUTH SIDE POSSE MEXICAN BLOOD GANG MUCH RESPECT TO THE LATIN KING NATION ALL CHAPTERS ESPCIALLY SOUTH SIDE CHICAGO

Snyper1, I don’t know you but I’ve heard your name is tagged up on walls out in the hood. So you did three years and you know then that the EME didn’t like us. I had just gotten out in ’93 from the pinta. I did three years at Winslow and fought a few fools because of the hood. Second time in ’95 at Perryville I got sweated and they tried to jump me because I would wear my red rag on my head when I worked out in my cell. I guess they felt it was disrespectful. I felt it was none of their business how I worked out in my cell. Then in ’96 and ’97 I got jumped at South Unit for representing the hood. I guess the reason I have problems is because they told me to cover the hood up as in my tattoo S.S.P. and I said it ain’t happening.
I would like to tell them vatos from South Side 9th Street and Glendale that were there, thank you for someone finally having my back. Much love and respect to you vatos. At least you vatos know that shit wasn’t right.
Well, stay bleeding Snyper1 and don’t forget about your homeboys in lock-up. Shoot them a letter and never flip. Remember you’re from click-click-bang-bang it’s the South Side Posse Gang. I feel for all Posse members that take the EME route because once the EME are done using you for what they need you for they’re probably going to put a bullet in your head.


Anonymous said…Man I'm left speechless...Yeah I knew Lazaro & Flaco.... the whole city of Phoenix, all gangbangaz included know that the Posse was one of the most hated and still the most hated gang in the eyes of all hoods, Happy Homes, W.S.CITY, 10th ave Lindo Park Crip Gang, LCM all sides, the list goes one, shit rival hoods would squash a beef for a quick minute cause the hatred for the Posse was unfounded....The EME hated the fact that the Posse was all Mexicans but said they were bloods which everyone knows is a considered a black gang thang....This Bones dude is a clown....I never in my life heard of such a character, not to say he's not in the pen for the stuff they said he did but come on the Posse has no history in this city...Everyone who knows anything about gangs in PHX, knows the Milpas & the DUB are the 2 most work put in hoods and the 2 closest hoods to which mirror LA gangs.....IF you ask me, the biggest baddest gang in the PHX is the PPD....

To the vato who said he knew Lazero and Flaco, you’re right, Posse was and probably still is the most hated gang in the eyes of all hoods. Yeah, we haven’t been out as long as Happy Homes or L.C.M. or other gangs that have been out for a long time. But our hood is making history in a short amount of time. Posse is the reason why cruising Central Avenue got shut down because fools were getting shot up and killed on Central. Posse is the reason why the car show got shut down in 1987 at the Civic Plaza, because a riot started with Posse against the West Side Chicanos and West Side City Crips and the Car Club Spirit. I never heard of any other hoods in Phoenix shutting down a whole car show. You said it yourself (rival hoods would squash a beef for a quick minute because of the hatred for the Posse was unfounded).
Yeah, the EME hated the fact that Posse was all mostly Mexicans and that we represented Bloods. But it is what it is.
B-up to all down-ass Bloods, whether you’re black, brown, white…It’s the change of times.
So you think I’m a clown. It’s all good, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I ain’t the one trying to mirror my hood to L.A. gangs. You forget, homeboy, this is Arizona, the home of the biggest Mexican Blood gang, South Side Posse. But you’re right, the biggest baddest gang is the police.
P.S. What hood do you represent?

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15 comments:

Anonymous said...

I wish one of you could tell me how to make my son want to leave his gang and stop going back to prison.

Anonymous said...

Bones, SSP,

Good post ese. Me being from Califas I am foreign to how things are run in Arizas. I have heard tidbits here and there about the Cars in the pintas in Arizona, and it is quite interesting how politics differ.

Make no mistake, reglas are simliar, in regards to race, such as having to line it up with your race and car, regardless of which hood you rep (for example no Mexican can claim a black gang, no whites can claim a black gang), but as we know, a black can be from a hispanic gang, and a white is accepted as Chicano if they are from a Varrio. I am from the largest hispanic gang in San Diego, Varrio Logan Heights 30th Street Locos 13ce.

Ther are one or two instances of a hispanic being in a black gang, but those are rare. As you are well aware, the general consensus of our rules of engagement and politics have been invoked since day one.

Those who didn't follow the rules in the pen weren't given warning, since they knew their card would be pulled as soon as they touched the yard, so they usually pc'd up before hand. I must say, you deserve respects for taking your licks and not rolling up and holding your own. I am surprised you weren't hit to the point of cancelling christmas. No ill regard or disrespect with my statement. Please do not take offense. It is interesting to see Mexicans claim Bloods. We have pedo with Nortenos, who align themselves with the Blacks. Anyway, too complicated for those on the outside looking in. I just want to say that it takes alot not to roll up and hold your ground. I don't know what to make of it in terms of the Ariza Emeros.

Anyway, quick question Bones, me being a Sureno, I heard that there are two different factions of Eme in Arizona, the Califa guard and the new Arizona Guard. I also heard that the California Surenos (any Southern California Hispanic from a Varrio, from those who are wondering) are going at it with Arizona Chicano Varrios. hope you can shed some light. No hostility, I am too old and done my 5 in Donovan and Tehachapi. Alright then, thank you for your time.

-Jose in San Diego

Sue said...

Jose in San Diego:
Do you have your own blog? Your comments always interest me and I'm curious to know more about your past life.

To anonymous:
I can't give you any advice, but good luck and best wishes. Hope things work out.

Personally, I don't understand this "gangsta" stuff. Gang members are always going on about being disrespected by the white guy because of their race, yet they have racial wars all the time. What's the logic in that?

Shaun - still loving your blog. Keep it up.

Sue in Costa Mesa

Anonymous said...

Hi Sue,

I want to thank you for the suggestion of starting my own blog. However, to be honest, the time I did wasn't all that problematic or different in terms of the prison environment.

It is different for hispanic California inmates, because the Hispanics run all the yards and penitentaries. There are very simple rules to follow. Stick to your race, mind your business, and do your program. In addition to that, I was only a level II classification, then dropped to a level I, so the yards I was on were pretty easy going. The assaults did occur from time to time, as close as right on my bench area, but as long as you mind your business, just turn the other cheek. It is quite shocking at first, but you have to deal with it. I was only called upon two times to assist with a person that was breaking the rules but my participation in the assaults were peripheral at best (look out and clean up man). The homeboys gave me respect because I helped out alot. I am well educated and took the time to help my homeboys write letters, read, and assist with legal documents. I was cool with all the Corrections Officers becuase I always showed respect and never gave them any lip and many thought I came from a military background (though I did not) becuase I always answered "yes sir" and yes ma'am".

I worked as a clerk which made me very good money moving homeboys in and out of cells. I had one or two issues with a couple of Whites that worked in my unit but my homeboys took care of it. I was never confronted on issues or assaulted. I even had one of the CO's bringing me food items from outside. I had a deep fryer in my unit, and had a Turkey for Thanksgiving one year. I was generous, which some homeboys viewed as my only weakness, but it is only becuase I had enough to provide. I wasn't raised dirt poor, and most of the homeboys inside cherish everything they have, but to me it wasn't a big deal to give away items I purchased and never used (i.e. crackers, soups, soap, etc.).

Don't get me wrong, it is still prison, and there are very bad prisons and yards and alot of shot callers that mandate everyone participate in an assault. I guess I just got really lucky. When my counselor told me in County that they had a bed for me in Tehachapi, I was relieved. I could have easily gone to New Folsom or Soledad.

Donovan is right on our back porch so that time was also pretty easy, save for alot more assaults.

Believe me, assaults and discipline come for the very smallest infraction, such as not spitting in the toilet when you brush your teeth, saying an african american slang word, throwing trash on the yard, etc. I neve wanted to mess up so I always stayed sharp. I never volunteered myself to prove my worth, as MANY young inmates did. I sometimes would be a loner, which other homeboys also warned me could jeopardize the whole security and peace of the yard, so I said "ok, I'll be more careful" and never veered completely out of site.

Gangs have always been around, since the beginning of time. The only thing that has changed is the look and agenda. Whether it was King Belshazzar of the Babylonians in the Book of Daniel in the New Testament, The old Irish guards as portrayed in Gangs of New York, the old men of Enron, who stole the lives and dreams and future of many americans without a single bullet, or the Taliban, or Crips or Bloods, they will always be around. There are copy cat gangs, and then there are generational established well historical (many dating back to the 1920's) neighborhods that turned into gangs out of protection. In many neighborhoods, it is survival of the fittest. Kill or be killed. In Southern California, in many neighborhoods, it doesn't matter if you are not in a gang. The rhetoric is "join something" or you will be victimized just the same as if you weren't. The honor system is out of the door. When I grew up, the rules of engagement were honorable. NO COLLATERAL DAMAGE (i.e. innocent victims), NO DRIVE-BYS (an edict that was prison enforced by the Mexican Mafia), no raping of women, and you protected your block and area. If you stepped out of bounds, you'd better be prepared, becuase you knew what was going to happen, and vice versa. But these kids out there have no leadership, no morals, and I really beleive the value of human life we put out there in the mass media has developed a "Fuck everyone" attitude. All the kids want to be the tuffest, hardest gangster at any cost.

Gangbanging is a waste of life, period. It is not cool and only one of three things WILL HAPPEN. FACTUAL. 1) you will die. Violently and without mercy. 2)you will go to prison. And the final outcome is 3) YOU GET TIRED AND PUT IT BEHIND YOU AND BECOME A PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY.

I am sorry for carrying on. I hope my feedback provides a little clarity. Take care and God Bless.

-Jose in San Diego

Jon said...

I enjoyed reading that, Jose. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Shaun

Sue O. (aka Joannie, SS) said...

Likewise-thanks, Jose. To hear it from someone who really knows that the gang life is a wasted life means something. I just attended a wake for the daughter of a female inmate I know, was in my 12 step, and it made me so angry. She OD'd. The lifestyle is passed down unless there is a conscious effort to stop it. Good for you-I know your right decisions will cause other people to follow your example.

Sue said...

Jose,

Thanks for that. I'm actually from England myself (Kingston Upon Hull, google it ;) ) so the gang thing is a bit confusing for me.

Personally, I spent 2 nights in jail - 1 for domestic violence (I beat up my ex boyfriend after he tried strangling me - case dismissed) and once for a dumbass DUI (and yes, I did actually learn my lesson!).
But I was only in holding, so never saw what jail was *really* like.

Currently, my boyfriends daughter is in jail - she violated her probation from felony drug offences by driving without a license, with alcohol in her system and she's underage.
I'm trying to understand her, for the boyfriends sake, and also what she's going through.

But when I go to jail to visit her, it scares me. I see people who are obviously gang members/girlfriends of gang members.......and I wonder what the hell the attraction is?

I grew up in a different environment and a different country.....I guess that's why I don't get it.

Sue in Costa Mesa

DIRTY LARRY said...

ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKAS SHUT THE FUCK UP!S T O P TELLN STORIES BOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SOUTH SIDE!THIS ISNT A GAME!ITS NOBODYS BUSINESS WHAT GOES DOWN IN THE HOOD.THERES ALOT TO BE SAID ABOUT A MATHAFUCKA TELLN STORIES ABOUT SSP...IF YOU CAN TELL STORIES ON THE INTERNET...THEN WHO ELSE ARE YOU WILLING TO TELL!HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMM

Anonymous said...

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A NEW CARNALE FROM THE VHHB GANG said...

THIS THAT BIG BAD VHHB 6TH AVE CENTRO PHOENIQUERA CHOLO GANG, F**K ALL OF SSP THEY BEEN GONE FOR 15 YEARS NOW STOP ALL THIS FAIRYTALE TALK S.S.PU**IES STAYED P.C'D UP BACK THEN AND NOW THEIR NON EXISTED. WHEN YOU'RE A WANNA BE MAYATE LIVING IN THE CITY OF PHX YOU WILL BE LEFT BRAINDEAD OR RETARDED, YOU CAN HIDE UNDER THE RADAR BUT WHEN YOU HIT THE COUNTY OR THE JOINT YOU WILL PC UP YOUR FIRST DAY NEVER WALKING THE YARD WITH REAL RAZA. F**K ALL THESE WANNA BE NI**ERS STRAIGHT GET CLIPPED ON SITE. LEVAS STAY HIDING AND COVERING UP YOUR PU**Y TATTS FROM FEAR OF GETTING PUT 6ft DEEP. F**K wscity THEY AIN'T BANGING ANYMORE WTF YOU LAMES TALKING ABOUT ARE YOU PU**IES EVEN ACTIVE ON THE CALLES? THE LITTLE HOMIES FROM VHHB TOOK OVER THE MATHEW HENSONS ALONG TIME AGO. ALL wsshitty HAS LEFT IS A BUNCH OF OLD ASS CRACKED OUT NI**ERS GETTING SERVED BOLDERS FROM THE LIL HOMIES THAT BANG FOR THE CENTRO PHX. THE ONLY BLACK GANG THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED RIDERS ARE BROADWAY GANGSTERS. MAYATES DON'T HAVE NO POWER OR STRUCTURE IN MY CITY. CHICANO CHOLO GANGS RUN THE 602 ALWAYS HAVE SINCE THE BEGINING F**K WHAT YOU NERDY MUTHAFU**ERS ARE TALKING ABOUT, ALL THIS TALKING OUT YOU KNECK LIKE YOU'RE STILL RIDING FOR THE HOOD. BUNCH OF SOFT P.C MUTHAFU**ERS WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT TO A SOLID HOOD WITH REAL HISTORY. MUCH RESPECT TO ALL THE VARRIOS IN THE BIG PHOENIQUERA AND ALL THEM CHICANO/MEXICANS IN 602 FROM THE TAG BANGERS TO THE DOUBLES WE ALL RIDE FOR THE "NEW" KEEPING IT 100 PERCENT SOLID BROWN. BIG TIME VARRIO HISPANIC HOME BOYS CHOLO GANGA DE CENTRO PHOENIQUERA ARIZA.

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Tay Capone said...

Nobody in Phoenix want it wit that most active loccs in the valley u stupid muthafucca can't c us on the yard I been fuccin fools off from day one 1 on 1 no one in your raza can me even when y'all jump me still put hands on u take it to the streets fucc the internet ya bitch